My version of the ontological argument:
(1) The concept of God is identical to the concept of the greatest conceivable being possible.
(2) The concept of the greatest conceivable being (henceforth GCB) contains the concept of necessarily existing.
Argument for (2): (along Anselmian lines)
(2a) If GCB failed to exist necessarily then it would be lacking a necessary prerequisite to be such a being, for surly a GCB who does not exist necessarily is not as great as a GCB who actually does, in which case the GCB that does not exist necessarily would not in fact be the GCB, therefore:
(2).
(3) To be GCB is to necessarily exist (entailed by (1) and (2)).
(4) To necessarily exist means nothing more that GCB must exist in all possible worlds.
(5) This world is a possible world.
(6) God exists (entailed be (4) and (5)).
I must concede that this argument is different than Anselm’s in an important respect, for it introduces the modal notion of ‘necessary’ as the type of existence had by the GCB in question. But we still haven’t left the notion of the GCB, so it’s not entirely distinct from Anselm’s either. And in introducing the notion of necessary (existence) we’re able to narrow the arguments scope, which in turn might reveal what St. Anselm was trying to get at as well as point out why Gaunilo's Island and Chris’ Teleportation Device- counterarguments (by why of analogy) have no effect.
Gaunilo’s Island argument (and Chris’ too) serve to counter St. Anselm by using the same argument in order to render a ridiculous conclusion. But the modal version above can easily block such a move, which we can begin to see by replacing the concept of God with the concept of ‘Teleportation Device’ in premise (1).
(1’) The concept of (the Teleportation Device) is identical to the concept of the greatest conceivable being possible.
Which is clearly false; the concept of a teleportation device could never be identified with the greatest conceivable being, for at least two reasons:
-(1’)a The greatest possible being is too big of a thing to be reduced to a teleportation device, despite what a wonderful thing it could be (if it existed), because the GCB must also be able to be conscious, have the capacity to love, create universes, etc.
-(1’)b a teleportation device is clearly a contingent thing (it’s existence is in no way necessary), which is evidenced by the fact that it doesn’t happen to exist, and therefore can never be a necessary being.
But perhaps I’m cheating. By way of the first premise I attempted to weed out Chris’ analogy, and to be fair I need to change some things. In order to carry out Chris’ (and Gaunilo’s) response appropriately, the argument should be reconstructed like so:
(1’’) The concept of the greatest conceivable Teleportation Device (henceforth GCTD) contains the concept of necessarily existing.
Argument for (1’’): (along Gauniloian lines)
(1’’)a If GCTD failed to exist necessarily then it would be lacking a necessary prerequisite to be such a being, for surly a GCTD that does not exist necessarily is not as great as a GCTD that actually does, in which case the GCTD that does not exist necessarily would not in fact be the GCTD, therefore:
(1’’).
(3’) To be GCTD is to necessarily exist (entailed by (1)).
(4’) To necessarily exist means nothing more that GCTD must exist in all possible worlds.
(5’) This world is a possible world.
(6’) GTCD exists (entailed be (4) and (5)).
At first glance this argument seems to fly just as well as the original, but perhaps we should take a closer look. It’s obvious the subject of this argument (the GCTB argument) has changed from the GCB one, but that’s to be expected since that’s how you argue analogically. But the thing to notice is that because the subject of the argument has changed, so has the sense in which the modal term ‘necessity’ is read. Compare, for instance,
(3) To be GCB is to necessarily exist.
and,
(3’) To be GCTD is to necessarily exist.
Despite the identity in syntax between these premises, the way in which these two premises predicate ‘necessarily exist’ to their subjects is different. We can’t read (3’) in the same way we read (3) because the way in which we ascribe the necessity to the greatest conceivable teleportation device is dissimilar to how we ascribe necessary existence the greatest conceivable being, and the way to show this to is to go back to argument that entailed this premise, which would be (2)a (for GCB) and (1’’)a (for GCTD).
(2) said that for the GCB to be such it must necessarily exist, because it wouldn’t be (as) great if it didn’t exist. (1’’)a said that GCTD must necessarily exist for the same reason (that it wouldn’t be as great if it didn’t exist). But the reasons why we say that both need to necessarily exist is different: in the case of GCB the reason why it must exist necessarily is because it’s apparent to our reason that such a being would posses such a property necessarily; that is, we perceive the necessary existence of the GCB to be an intrinsic property of that thing. But when we said that the GCTD must exist necessarily to be such, the reason why we would say that is because it would be greater to us that it actually existed, for if it didn’t, we couldn’t use it, and hence it wouldn’t be so great. But this means that when it comes to TDs, the greatness they would have by existing or wouldn’t have by not existing is external to the thing itself. And this simply isn’t the case when you think of the greatest conceivable being, for in conceiving such a thing we realize that to be such a thing, we think that it must not be great merely because it would make a difference to us, but also because it seems that such thing must exist necessarily to be such a thing in the first place.
Simply put, necessary existence is an essential intrinsic quality a GCB must have to be such a thing, but on the other hand the greatness of a TD might only imply existence when it would be great for us, in which case in terms of thinking about the greatest conceivable TD, it’s greatness would be a matter of an external property of the thing in question.
Some clarifying objections:
Kant’s rejection of the ontological argument, ironically, helps to point out what I’m trying to get at. Basically Kant’s problem is that existence isn’t a predicate (or if it is, it’s never an essential property of a thing). For instance, suppose two people are arguing over whether unicorns existed. Assuming the debate is a semiformal one, the members of the debate decide to define their terms. The one arguing against the existence of unicorns says, “so let me get this straight; when you say that there are such things as ‘unicorns’, you mean an animal that more or less resembles a horse and it has a horn on its forehead?’ The one arguing pro says, “Why yes, the qualities which a unicorn has are as you described, but you mustn’t forget that unicorns exist, that is, they have the essential quality of existing.’ “I thought we’re arguing over whether unicorns exist or not, so you mustn’t assume they exist until you’ve proved it to us!”, responds the opponent. “No no no,” says the man arguing for the existence of unicorns, “The unicorns I’m talking about do exist; they have such a quality! So you’re not thinking of the same thing I am.” “Well,” says the opponent, “if you can’t separate the idea of a unicorn from it’s existence, then it seem you’ve already won the debate, in which case it seems there is nothing to debate about.” “Hmmm, I guess we’re at an impasse.”
Kant says that if existence is a property, it must be assumed to be irrelevant to the object of a thing or else you would never be able to prove to someone who doesn’t already believe in the existence of a certain thing in the first place. This is so, says Kant, because whether a thing exists or not it makes no difference because existence is never an essential attribute of an object; hence why we’re able to debate whether certain things exist.
I think perhaps Kant is right, that one can rightfully separate the existence of certain objects without changing or altering the object in question. This is obviously the case when it comes to things like Islands and teleportation devices. The difference between the greatest possible island that does exist and greatest island that does not is nothing. They’re identical intrinsically speaking since they have all qualities in common. The only way existence would become relevant to perfect islands is when we equivocate between the senses of greatness. Only in the observer-relative sense of ‘greatness’ does existence become relevant. This is to say, again, that a perfect island can be intrinsically great without needing to exist.
But is Kant’s observation true of all objects, whatever? What if we introduce the notion of a type existence such as ‘necessary existence’? Think of GC islands or teleportation devices: examining them with our mind’s eye we see that if they necessarily existed or not it would make no difference; even worse both objects (all created things, actually) could never possess such a property, even if they did exist, because all such objects are contingent things. It’s necessarily false that a contingent thing posseses the property of necessary existence.
But what of the very idea of greatest conceivable being, the very idea of God? If we look to see with our mind’s eye at such a being, wouldn’t we see that to be such a being it couldn’t help to exist necessarily? Isn’t it the case that unlike all other objects, if we tried to remove existence from God’s essence we would cease to be contemplating the same thing? Isn’t the difference between a being who necessarily existed and one who needn’t not to exist to be such being an infinite difference? Doesn’t it seem to be the case that the notion of the GCB includes within itself necessary existence, such that if we took it away it wouldn’t be what it is?
11
Identity of essence and existence in God.
God’s essence cannot be other than His existence.
In any being whose essence is distinct from its
existence, what it is must be distinct form that
whereby it is. For in virtue of its essence we say
what it is. This is why a definition that signifies
an essence manifests what a thing is. In God,
however, there is no distinction between what He
is and whereby He is… therefore God’s essence is
nothing else than His existence.
St. Thomas Aquinas.
Aquinas’s Shorter Summa, 11
*** By the way, the ontological argument has had an impressive list of defenders: Descartes and Leibniz have defended their own versions, and just in the last century you have philosophers such as Alvin Plantinga, Charles Hartshorne, and Norman Malcolm (a student of Wittgenstein, no less, who has a similar argument to the one I presented ((Charles Hartshorne from what I’ve heard argues along the same lines too, but I haven’t read him)).
Monday, October 16, 2006
a defense of the ontological argument.
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I'm new at this so bear with me...why does the GCB have to be capable of love and create universes?
"-(1’)a The greatest possible being is too big of a thing to be reduced to a teleportation device, despite what a wonderful thing it could be (if it existed), because the GCB must also be able to be conscious, have the capacity to love, create universes, etc." -Derek
I know we have talked about this several times, but I forgot :(
Is it because that's what we imagine the GCB to have or because it is necessary?
The former: when conceiving of the greatest conceivable being we’re not conceiving of just any thing whatever. The greatest conceivable being cannot be lacking any perfection and must, in some sense, contain the greatness of all other things. If it lacked anything that is possible it could not be the source of all things (like if failed to be a sentient being, and sentient beings were possible, and in our case actual (we’re sentient beings), then it would be lacking a quality of greatness (for surely being sentient is greater than not), and hence it wouldn’t be the greatest conceivable thing. So the greatest conceivable being in an important sense is like the unity of all things; it’s not just one more thing out there which is great, but it contains the greatness to which all great things other than itself are derived.
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Someone from Digg objected to this argument:
"Unstated hidden assumption: Greatest Possible Being == Greatest Conceivable Being.
Whoops.
Just because one can conceive of something, anything (a galaxy-sized strawberry milkshake, for instance, or a square circle) isn't proof of that somethings existence."
How would you respond?
I can't conceive a square circle, maybe that's just me but just because I can fit two words together doesn't mean that I can truly conceive them, on the other hand I can conceive of a galaxy sized milkshake.
Wow. I’m surprised these objections are the only ones! Is this really the worst parts of the argument?
I’m assuming that there are two separate objections here because I don’t see the connection between the comment about the unstated premise and the comment about a galaxy-sized milkshake....
So about the first: I supposed I must concede that I assumed that the greatest conceivable being is identical to the greatest possible being. Touché. But I don’t see how this is objectionable. Conceivability is an epistemic notion and possibility a metaphysical notion concerning modality. But surely it’s the case that modal knowledge is something acquired through the process of conceiving; the way you know what is possible is by what you can conceive of, so in the case the GCB conceivability and possibility become two senses of an identical thing. Is it not the case that the greatest thing to which one can conceive is none other than the greatest being possible? Does not the notion of God satisfy both descriptions simultaneously? It clearly seems to be the case that both descriptions are coinstantiated; it’s impossible that the greatest conceivable happened to not be the greatest possible being, and vice-versa.
I suppose one might object that an ant would not think that the greatest conceivable thing is also the greatest possible; the ant might think a giant pile of sugar or a huge grasshopper carcass is, and surely those aren’t the greatest things possible. But so what- the ant is wrong and this is because ants don’t have the conceptual machinery to understand that.
But I suppose one might object here again and say, “well what if we’re like ants, that we might not know what the greatest possible thing is either, despite what we can conceive beyond the imaginations of ants.” Well maybe we are too pea-minded to see all the characteristics of what the greatest possible being might have; but even if this is the case there’s no possible way that such a being would not necessarily exist; for surely it’s necessarily the case that the greatest possible being would exist necessarily, for else he wouldn’t be the greatest possible. How else could it be?
Back to the ant analogy- ants don’t know as much as us (well at least they don’t seem to act like it)- but they’re able to reason with what they do know: they’re able to think that dry ground would be better to build their ant hill than on a river, or its better to build an ant hill further from other ants to minimize competition for food and so on. If a being with greater intelligence came along it would think the same way simply because it is the case that ants were correct in these specific assessments. The same goes for us. I take it that on an infinite scale of intelligence we’re like ants, but despite our limits we still know some things, and the things we do know include the concepts of modality, in which case we know that the greatest thing possible must necessarily exist even if we’re not sure what other things it must have. If a being with greater intelligence came along he would think we’ve got it right in this respect; the greater-intelligence being would surely think that necessary existence is greater than not. I can’t see how I’m being wrongheaded hear.
So what about the galaxy-sized strawberry milkshake? I mentioned in my post and to Noelle in this comment thread that such a thing can never make the move from conceivability to existence because it’s a contingent thing, even if it did exist. If a thing enjoys a contingent mode of existence than it’s necessarily impossible for it to be a necessarily existing object. Furthermore a galaxy sized strawberry milkshake can never fit the bill of the greatest conceivable thing because such a thing is to limited: surely the greatest conceivable thing must be greater than a milkshake of any flavor and size because there’re conceivable things that are greater than it- like a being who cane make an unlimited amount of milkshakes, for instance. So this counterexample doesn’t fit the conditions of the greatest conceivable being proper, and so can’t be used against this argument.
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